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Hello fellow pathfinder! My name is Anita and I live in London, Ontario, Canada. I work for Resonate Global Mission which is the missional arm of the Christian Reformed Church of North America. One of the core initiatives of Resonate is ‘Church Planting” and accompanying that is our commitment to coaching our church planters whom we have invested in. I sit on a “Church Plant Team” in my Classis (group of 29 churches) and we have planted several churches in the past. I am a certified spiritual director with the Haden Institute and was happy to see in the book “The Coach Model” by Keith E. Webb that the first and most important aspect of being a coach is to actively listen and hearken to the Holy Spirit’s leading. I feel like I have experience with this angle of coaching in my work as a spiritual director. I look forward to connecting with folks who are seeking to nurture their God-given desire to create communities that follow Jesus. I look forward to hearing all that God has done, is doing, and will do in your midst as you move through life and ministry.

I believe that the Holy Spirit is at work within you and your Church and I would be honored to support you as you do the work of God. I am committed to client centered coaching and am not here to tell you what you do but to discern with you how the Holy Spirit is moving, and ask you questions to help you clarify and take the next steps. Coaching is a guided conversation where we work together for the same goal. Often it is helpful to have someone to listen, encourage, ask questions, pray with you and help you make action plans. I specialize in Churches and Pastors who are reaching out to their Churches in new and inventive ways and are justice orientated. I am a Presbyterian (P.C.U.S.A) Pastor and have also worked in non-profits.

Bob Hyatt is the Director of Equipping and Spiritual Formation for The Ecclesia Network. Bob has felt drawn to pastoral ministry since the 5th grade- he’s always known: this is what he wanted to do- helping people find relationship with God. This worked itself out most clearly in planting the Evergreen Community in Portland, OR in 2004. This has now expanded to also include coaching church planters and other pastors, and training others to coach and use coaching skills through Transformational Coaching. He is a graduate of Western Seminary and earned a D.Min from Portland Seminary. He’s also the co-author of Eldership & the Mission of God and Ministry Mantras from InterVarsity Press.

Church starters are constantly in a state of discernment, wondering what to do next, how to gather people, and how to tend to their souls. Above it all, they wonder how God is working and partnering with them. Too often, church starters are left to discern on their own. I've been working with church starters and those discerning starting a church as part of Cyclical INC and Fuller Seminary to help them gain greater clarity about their leadership, their desires, their challenges, and their spiritual health. If you're seeking to disciple others, discern God's mission in your neighborhood, gather people, or structure contextual expressions of community and worship, I would be honored to join you as a coach. Fill out the contact form to get a hold of me and we can have a free consultation to see if we're a good fit.

Equipping Leaders to Flourish! I help you identify and chart a course to your desired outcome from your current reality. I ask the right questions, so you discover the right answers to increase your effectiveness. I serve as the Executive Director of Strategic Leaders Group. My coaching experience includes church planters, established church pastors, leadership teams, governance boards, and corporate high-level leaders. I am the Coaching Coordinator for the Excel Leadership Network coaching planters and training coaches. I earned a B.S. in Electronic Engineering from Cal Poly San Luis Obispo and attended Western Seminary.

I have broad experience of almost 20 years as a lead pastor. I took over a large church and led it through a rebuild and rebranding. Along with my wife, I’ve planted a new church. I trained and coached church plants for 10 years. I oversaw several churches, helping them to manage problems and stay on mission. In the last 4 years of ministry, I had governmental authority over 15 churches. I love serving the pastors. During the most recent 4 years, I have been coaching, and encouraging pastors officially through Cedar Leadership as a registered IRS 501c

Husband, Father, Church Planter, and Coach - Its my joy to enter every conversation with a curiosity that helps create awareness of your desired future. A coaching conversation with me will help you uncover God's leading in your life and a path forward to realizing it.

Dan is a visionary architect. He understands leadership, mission and church health. He is committed to developing young leaders and equipping and empowering the church to be healthy through intentional disciple-making and equipping every member to be on mission. Dan will motivate you to embrace God’s movement by coaching you to achieve your vision. There is nothing more important to Dan than to see a healthy church mobilizing their members to be on mission. When a person or church is healthy it naturally naturally breads health. Dan is the founding Pastor of Gateway Church, serves on the global PEACE team with Saddleback Church and is the Director of Discovery for Assist Church Expansion. Dan is married to Gay, they have 4 amazing children and 9 grandchildren. He is a visionary architect, an author and thought leader.

I help pioneering leaders and pastors engage fresh ways to lead and multiply mission-shaped communities while tending to their holistic formation along the way. Having worked for 30+ years in cross-cultural missions, church planting and pastoring, I know personally how hard and soul-depleting ministry can become. Using the language of Ephesians 4:11, I can identify with the challenges that grate on the souls of shepherd- and teacher-oriented leaders. And, I’m also equally familiar with the stresses that plague leaders of apostolic, prophetic, and evangelistic orientation. In short, my heart goes out to both those in nurturing roles and those in advancement roles - I want to help these leaders flourish and lead well over the long haul. As a coach, I am credentialed at the PCC level under the International Coach Federation (ICF).

I'm compelled with Spirit-fueled passion to support Ephesians 4:11 leaders, especially missional pioneers and planters and innovative pastors. I've been involved as a church starter in Europe and in the US, have seeded and led apostolic networks, worked as an adjunct professor designing and overseeing coaching courses / teams, and of course, I coach (have well over 1800 hours clocked professionally). As an ICF Professional Certified Coach (PCC), I employ a studied and well-practiced grasp of missional planting frameworks (both developmental and performative) - I'm interested in a given leader's formation over the long haul just as much than what they can cultivate in practical outcomes for Jesus' sake.

Since I was six years old I’ve held a passion for leadership. My life purpose is, In Christ, Developing and Empowering Leaders to Thrive. I’m honored to start a church plant in Atlanta Georgia and work with a network planting 400 churches around the world. Currently I’m team and individually coaching a church planting team in Tokyo attempting to start a church planting movement. My professional credentials include a professional coaching credential from the International Coaching Federation and Practitioner level Team Coach from the European Mentoring and Coaching Council. Further, I operate an ICF coaching school for mission focused leadership coaching. I volunteer as a professor of leadership at the Global Institute of Leadership at Andrews University training learning coaches throughout the world. I love coaching missional leaders who are planting churches and starting movements.

You are a church planter with a call on your life and a vision for your city. You need to be surrounded by people who understand the rigors of ministry and are invested in the success of your church plant AND your personal health. With 25 years of pastoral ministry and 6 years of ministry coaching and consulting, my focus is growing churches through the healthy development of the pastors who lead them. When pastors are spiritually cared for, encouraged, equipped, and empowered, they are able to grow their churches while living healthy fulfilled lives. Having served as an Executive Pastor for years, I understand how to develop systems and processes that make ministry effective while still preserving the spiritual vibrance of God moving through his people. Most church planters can't afford to have an Executive Pastor for the first several years. I provide the skill set of an Executive Pastor without taking a chunk out of the budget. I have dedicated my life to ensuring pastors remain healthy and vibrant for decades in ministry. If you want to be one of those pastors, I would be honored to have the opportunity to serve you.

Dr. Dee Stokes is an entrepreneurial minister, educator, author, consultant, and podcaster who focuses on innovative ministry, purposeful leadership, and Kingdom education in an effort to "Build Influential People Who Change the World and Live Out the Gospel Practically." Dr. Stokes has spent over 25 years in higher education as a basketball coach, professor, and administrator. After 18 years as a coach, her dreams and desires turned to full time ministry. Although not roaming the sidelines, she still has a passion for athletes, coaches, and the game she loves: Basketball. Her passion allows her to impact coaches and stay involved in the game. Beside coaching at the Division I level, Dr. Dee has been a Pre-K through 8th grade school administrator, a graduate online and small business center director all while serving in the local church and as the President/CEO of Dee Stokes Ministries, Inc. Pastor Dee served over two years as a pastor (Associate & Lead) at Unity UMC in Thomasville, NC where she focused on spiritual formation, community relations, and leadership development. She has also been involved in an incarnational movement called Fresh Expressions (freshexpressions.com). Dr. Dee served entrepreneurial ministers as the Director of The Seeds Project and she has 30 years experience in education. Dr. Stokes holds multiple degrees: BA, MPA, MBTF, Ed.S., & Ed.D.

Dr. John C. Buckley has worked in education, business, ministry, and non-profit landscapes and holds a Ph.D. from Keiser University in educational leadership, an M.A. in teaching from the University of Southern California, and a B.S. in human services from Southeastern University. Dr. Buckley is the CEO and founder of The Strengths Academy, a burgeoning strengths-based company, focuses on educating and developing exceptional leaders, teams, and organizations in their unique strengths. Dr. Buckley and his wife, Sherri, have been former church planters in Georgia and have been in ministry for over 30 years. He has trained and developed leaders in multiple sectors and continues to work with young leaders to optimize their ministries and businesses while teaching in educational settings. He can coach you into deeper levels of organizational success, increase membership and customer base, or marketing strategies that are effective and impactful.

Drew Peterson works with leaders discerning their call to creative expressions of the church, helping to develop their vocational identity as well as explore ideas for new worshipping communities. As a bi-vocational pastor who also works in homeless services, Drew is committed to supporting the flourishing of all people. When not coaching, Drew enjoys rock climbing, running, and brewing beer. Drew received his Masters of Divinity from Fuller Theological seminary and current serves as the pastor of Knox Presbyterian Church in Washington.

Erica Heitke is the Teaching & Planting Pastor for Trellis Church in Sarasota, Florida. She earned her MDiv (with a concentration in church planting) from Southeastern University and has been active in ministry for more than two decades. Erica loves to encourage others and share her planting experience. She planted Trellis Church in January 2022 and has also started many ministries, including SRQ Campus Ministry. She believes that we are all called to work together, guided by the Holy Spirit, to fulfill God's will. Erica believes the future of the church is microchurches. She hopes to help God's people plant churches consisting of microchurches or help them plant a microchurch with Trellis Church. She offers in-person, phone, and Zoom coaching at no charge.

My passion is to accompany leaders in journeys of transformation as they come alive to their deep callings and act powerfully with others to change the world. I accomplish this by walking alongside leaders, teams, and communities to help them discern and move toward their preferred future--in life, in work, in leadership. Coaching is not advice giving, counseling, or consulting. Coaching is a guided a conversation in which I help you to see the wisdom you already possess and apply it in ways that will change your life and leadership. Each session will conclude with a clear plan of action and accountability to move you forward in your desired next steps so that you and your community can come alive and live fully into your God-given potential.

I’m Greg Ellis, a coach, entrepreneur, teacher, speaker, and pastor passionate about helping people live life to the fullest. With my extensive experience in different fields and industries, I help individuals, groups, and teams discover their full potential and achieve their goals. Through my coaching, I aim to help leaders feel fulfilled, serve from a place of abundance, and be excited to go to work every day. I hold degrees from Bethel University and Fuller Theological Seminary and am certified by the International Coaching Federation and Missional Formation Coaching. I coach and lead coaches at national and regional levels of the Evangelical Covenant Church and lead a house church with Communitas. I live in Savage, Minnesota, with my wife, Kari. COACHING STYLE: I provide individually tailored coaching to leaders and teams in a caring yet courageous environment; I use my leader’s heart and strategist’s mind, helping each client feel assured about their goals and be clear about their next steps to reach them! My coaching style is collaborative, supportive, and action-oriented. I work with you to identify your strengths, values, and aspirations and then help you create a plan of action to achieve your goals. I use a range of tools and techniques, including Clifton Strengths and the Birkman inventory, to help you gain clarity, overcome challenges, and achieve the results that you desire. My goal is to help you unleash your potential and maximize your performance.

Hannah Absalom has been in church leadership for over 25 years, working alongside her husband Alex in a wide variety of contexts. Together they lead Dandelion Resourcing (dandelionresourcing.com), which focuses on naturally supernatural discipleship and mission. Hannah is committed to investing into the next generation, raising up women leaders, and helping families live as missionaries. Originally from England, Hannah loves living in the United States and thoroughly enjoys her three young adult sons and first daughter-in-law!

Rev. Jeya So is one of the co-founding and co-lead pastors of Anchor City Church, a third-culture community in San Diego, CA planted through the PC(USA). She also works as a coach, cohort leader, and in other capacities, with church leaders in several denominations and organizations, including the PC(USA)’s 1001 New Worshipping Communities, Cyclical Inc. and ISAAC (Innovative Space for Asian American Christianity) and is a contributing author to “Sustaining Grace: Innovative Ecosystems for New Faith Communities.” Although ordained through the PC(USA), Jeya's grew up in a charismatic/pentecostal church and she has experience with other denominations/traditions including Episcopalian, Lutheran, United Methodist and non-denominational church leaders. Jeya has been coaching church planters since 2014, working in particular with women, teams, those working in cross-cultural contexts, and those discerning their particular call. Jeya is in the process of certification through the International Coaching Federation.

With a background in business, art, community building, presence ministry, and church planting, I walk clients through guided, thought-provoking dialogue wherein decisions can be made with greater clarity, action can be taken with boldness, and resources can be used creatively to build new ways of being the church. Fully alive with clarified vision you will begin to turn insight into action as you lean into your calling and empower your teams and communities to thrive. Something extraordinary happens when we sit together in solidarity. With your context fully embraced, your personhood respected, and God at the center, you will achieve greater missional harmony, a renewed vision, and emboldened convictions to carry your mission forward. Statement of Inclusion: As your coach, I will be committed to you, my client in all your prismatic, differentiated fullness. I will work to be as informed as possible, as curious as possible, and provide as many resources as possible while also working to change the systems that uphold the many sins of partiality. To the best of my ability, I will do whatever I can to walk the good road with you as you work to set all God’s people free! To that effect, I offer scholarships, and sliding-scale services to anyone who might be barred from receiving these good gifts of the body of Christ due to financial limitations. Yes and Amen!

John has been coaching since 2009 and has achieved the PCC accreditation with the ICF and is also a mentor coach for those training for accreditation. At Flourish, John has trained over 100 coaches in the program they've developed. With a focus on leadership, vision and mission, John coaches church planters in a variety of different contexts. He is also an executive leader with ECO, A Covenant Order of Evangelical Presbyterians.

Justin is a trained coach through the PCUSA. He has worked with church discerners and starters in a variety of contexts. He enjoys helping people work towards their goals and assisting them in tapping into their unrealized potential.

In coaching my goal is to help planters discern and deepen their God-given missional calling to impact their community with the good news of Jesus Christ. My three coaching priorities are: 1. Listen deeply to planters as they listen to God, to their own desires, to their family, to their team, and to their mission context. 2. Holistically form planters to be healthy spiritually, emotionally, relationally, and physically by developing rhythms that fit who they are. 3. Equip planters to live on mission by helping them and their team join where God is already at work in their community. I serve as the Director of Fuller Seminary's Church Planting Initiative where I have mentored and coached church planters since 2016. From 2003-2014 I planted a church outside of Portland, Oregon, and in 2018 I planted the church that I continue to lead here in Pasadena, California. I am married to Amy and we have three young adult boys.

Mark has been a minister of The Presbyterian Church in Canada for over 30 years. He has ministered with churches in Central Canada, Western Canada and Bermuda. He loves interfaith and multicultural opportunities that promote Isaiah’s wild social message of equality as found in the gospel of Luke specifically and the bible generally. In addition to holding an M.Div. (Toronto), Mark holds advanced degrees in Philosophy from the Claremont Graduate University (California) and the University of Wales, Swansea (UK). He is inspired by the different ways emerging churches are responding to the divine and innovating faith for the 21st century. His major intellectual and spiritual influences are Ludwig Wittgenstein and Abraham Joshua Heschel. Following coaching best practices, through listening and asking questions, Mark can encourage your growth in self awareness to enable you to become more confident in discerning solutions or next steps. Coaching can facilitate exploration through helping discover and understand the intersection of life experiences of the divine, life circumstances and natural gifts. Coaching fosters and seeks clarity which can lead to personal and professional insight leading to transformation and success.

Passionate about connecting the disconnected and helping people share the unchanging gospel to an ever-changing world. Lives this passion out through preaching, teaching, and training the next generation of disciple-makers, church planters, and ministry leaders. Matt is introduced in Auxano's vision framing process and is a Multiply group leadership pipeline development navigator. Matt is the founder and director of the Kairos Network, the founder of The Church at 10:02, and the co-creator of The Missionary Pathway. Matt is Passionated about training church planters and lay leaders who will plant contextual expressions of the church that make disciples and connect the disconnected to Jesus.

Nina currently works as a coach, consultant and spiritual director (with both individuals and groups). She works with Cyclical Inc, a hub and network for ecclesial innovators and church planters, the De Pree Center for Leadership at Fuller Seminary, CenterQuest, an ecumenical spiritual direction program, Center for Council, an organization that focuses on community building and communication in a wide variety of settings, and has her own private practice. Her credentials include an MBA in finance and a CPA earned while working with Price Waterhouse Coopers in their entrepreneurial services group. Nina’s coaching and consulting work is rooted in years of experience in organizational leadership, in for-profit and non-profit organizations, including work on boards and in senior management. Organizations include Fuller Seminary, Ten Thousand Villages, various denominational groups, a youth entrepreneurship non-profit, software companies and other for profit businesses. She has completed training in spiritual direction and is certified by the Lombard Mennonite Peace Center in mediation and conflict transformation. During the past 20 years she has pursued a particular passion for communion with God, especially listening for the voice of God, and engaging spiritual practices that enable availability to the Holy. These varied sets of experiences and skills are brought to bear in her work with leaders and communities. Areas of Expertise

• I work with individuals and groups toward:
• Discernment of God’s presence and initiatives
• Spiritual formation and practices
• Awareness of matters around race and ethnicity
• Organizational and leadership development
• Social enterprise development

I’m the Director of Coaching for City to City Southern California, which trains church planters throughout the region, and I’m helping to plant Providence Church in West Hills, CA. I’ve been in full-time pastoral ministry for over 30 years and along the way, I’ve experienced sweet joys and painful struggles. I also had a “gospel revolution” that transformed my preaching, my philosophy of ministry, and my personal relationship with Jesus. To state the obvious, pastors are human—they need the gospel, and they need to be pastored. Coaching has been a way for me to be a pastor to planters and pastors. You can learn more at www.healthypastorcoaching.com. I’ve been happily married to my wife Janette for 25 years, enjoy spending time with my four sons, listening to podcasts and audiobooks, exploring different restaurants, and staying fit. I’m an ordained pastor in the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA), received my M.Div. and D.Min. from Missio Seminary and Th.M. from Westminster Theological Seminary (Philadelphia). I’m certified with Creative Results Management’s Coaching Mastery Certificate Program and an Associate Certified Coach with the International Coaching Federation.

As a coach, I strive to be attentive with the Holy Spirit to the unique call of every church planter and the culture of every plant. I come alongside pioneer leaders to help them maximize their partnerships in order to multiply disciples, leaders and ministries. My past 2 decades have been devoted to church planting as a planter, regional leader, coach, denominational church multiplication director, and D.Min. and school of hard knocks student. I have worked with multiple cultures and models and with many sending churches and organizations. Rounding out my career, I have past experience in youth ministry, music and church revitalization. My wife and I have been blessed with 3 married children and 5 grandchildren. My hobbies include bicycling, motorcycling, kayaking, woodturning, music making, reading, gardening and traveling. I’d love to hear your story. Contact me for a free consultation.

My name is Reid Stafford; I serve as the Discipleship Minister at the Oikos Church. A growing church plant that started in January 2022. I received my Master of Divinity from Harding School of Theology and certificate training in Spiritual Direction from Lipscomb University. I am here to offer no-cost spiritual direction for church planters who desire to grow their awareness of God's presence in their life and ministry as they plant churches. Spiritual Direction is a slow and prayerful conversation where one person listens for the other person to discuss and discern God's presence in your life through thoughtful questions and the Holy Spirit. This can be a much-needed formative time in a church planter's life and a time to receive care in the midst of difficult moments in ministry. Spiritual Direction meetings happen once a month on Zoom. If you are interested, reach out for an initial interest conversation.

Erik Samuelson, ACC is a leadership and transformation coach who works with individuals, teams, companies, churches, non-profits, and educational institutions. He is the founder of "Come Alive Coaching" which offers coaching, workshops, practices, and resources to individuals and communities looking to deepen their impact, launch or renew their organization, and develop leaders. Erik is a pastor in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) and is certified in new and renewal ministry in the denomination. He has led, consulted, and/or coached a number of new ministry starts, missional communities, networks, and congregational renewal efforts. He holds the Associate Certified Coach (ACC) credential from the International Coaching Federation, and is in process toward the Professional Certified Coach (PCC) credential. Erik also does coaching through Vibrant Faith. More information can be found at www.ComeAliveCoaching.org and https://vibrantfaith.org/coaching/

After college (Occidental) and following seminary (Fuller) I served first as a youth pastor (9 years) and then as pastor (31 years) in three Presbyterian churches. My wife, for nearly 50 years and I have raised two children and now play a role in the care and maturation of three granddaughters. Since retirement I have focused on helping persons inhabit the next incarnation of the gift they are from God to the world.

As someone who is passionate about exploring creative ways of being church as well as creative ways to engage with the local community, I have spent the last 20 years starting and leading innovative faith based communities and nonprofit organizations. I’ve worked in the United Kingdom, Germany, and Egypt, just to name a few countries. As an ICF ACC credentialed coach, there is nothing more that I enjoy than supporting leaders in their growth, through transitions and in innovating creative ways to engage with their communities, while balancing care for themselves. To keep myself rooted in practice, I am also part of a leadership team of a newly formed faith-based community in Portland, Oregon.

Ryan Brown is a creative coach and digital communication strategist living in Los Angeles, CA. Ryan is a graduate of MATM program at Fuller Theological Seminary and also holds a B.A. in Psychology from Michigan State University. Ryan specializes in social media and digital communication strategy. He also has experience in fundraising and has built programs for small churches and non-profits to become sustainable using crowd-sourced funding and other unique ways to generate revenue. When he is not coaching, Ryan enjoys making music and spending quality time with his son, Reece.

Born in the 1970s, I am a proud child of the 80s! I came to Christ during my senior year of high school in the 1990s. I have served several large churches as an executive, Next-Gen, and 20-something pastor. In 2010, a group of close friends and I planted and continue to lead The Park Community in San Antonio, Texas. As a Co-Vocational practice, I work as a Business and non-profit Consultant, Church Planting Coach, and coach with V3 Movement. My passion lies in contextual missiology and big-picture strategy, but I also enjoy diving into the details and understanding the nuances that shape our work and strategy. This enthusiasm drives my commitment to making a meaningful impact. My church planting journey began with a difficult transition out of one of the largest churches in North America. Eventually, we established a healthy relationship. While navigating the challenges of mobile church, neighborhood engagement, multiple parishes, and the pandemic, we have landed on a hybrid strategy that includes a centralized Sunday worship gathering and a decentralized strategy for neighborhood ministry. I have had the privilege of studying contextual theology at the graduate and postgraduate levels while remaining committed to being a practitioner. I am passionate about the local church and love to advocate for men and women joining God in the renewal of their cities.

I am a graduate of Duke University with a Doctor of Ministry. I earned my Masters at Fuller Seminary in Global Leadership. My Bachelors degree is in Psychology from Simpson University. Education is extremely valuable, but I also have a wealth of experience in the business world. I am an entrepreneur and have started and operated several companies. As such I am well aware of the need for capital and cash flow. I have raised over $20 million for enterprises which shows I know how to talk to investors of all types. I have started and operated companies in multiple countries so I also understand multi-cultural communities. My church planting goes back many years, and it was successful. Fifty years ago I started a Bible College which still operates. I am also an author of a book about George Müller that is currently being made into a movie. I believe I have much to add to your situation. I have no need or desire to profit from the gospel, thus I keep my rates very low. I think you will be surprised by the value of the coaching I can give to your life and ministry.

I am a pastor, a church planter, a Master Trainer (Church Planting) and a Certified Church Planter Coach. I have a BS in Business Administration, and 10 years in the business world before entering ministry. I excelled in developing people who could do their jobs, whatever that may be, at a professional level. I spent 6 years as an associate pastor before moving to Jacksonville, FL to start Faith Community Church (FCC), a prevailing model, attractional church. My wife and I are both ordained ministers and pastored FCC for 21 years before stepping down in 2021. I am now in the process of planting my second church, (a network of smaller church expressions),using a combination of both Missional Community. & Micro Church Networks. We currently have two Communities on Mission and are working on our third. I finished Fuller Theological Seminaries (FTS) Church Planting Coaching Certification and am currently coaching 5 church planters/coachees. I love the church planting space and working with Church Planters/Starters. Though I bring a lot of "real world" experience as a coach, I firmly believe that Jesus is the Lord of Church planting and is the one we ultimately seek for wisdom and direction. That starts and ends with Spirit dependent prayer.